Which movie truly deserves Best Picture?

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by JollyRoger » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:44 pm

Well, a bit late and I haven't watched all of the movies on the list the list, but I thought I'd chip in nevertheless.

War Horse was good, but I kinda got bored in the second half. Love the scene where the Germans are surprised in their tents tho :D

Moneyball really surprised me. Having read a bad critic I wan't expecting much, but found myself really engulfed in the story. Great movie!

Have still to watch

Hugo and Tree of Life. I doubt I'll spend any time on the other nominees. Just saying.

by Jpeg » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:06 am

Chefjoe, I must agree with your opinion of the Academy Awards. It's no longer a glamorous spectacle honoring truly
great actors and actresses along with masterpieces of the big screen, but nothing more than a boring gathering to fill
an empty time slot. Politics has definitely turned a celebration of achievement into a two-bit butt kissing event.

With that said....maybe all the blame does not rest with the Academy. When a typical Saturday night Syfy "B" movie
can capture ones attention better than 90% of Hollywood's offerings, flags of concern should be being raised by every
studio executive in town. Pink slips should be plentiful and contracts should include massive penalties for lackluster
performance. One thing we can conclude for sure though, the Academy members do not live in the same world as the
common movie dwellers.

I still laugh every time I hear the big studios scream about losing money due to piracy. While to a minor extent, it may
contribute, overpaid actors, overused story lines, and just plain lack of creativity have been the profit killers for years.

I find it amusing Avatar was brought up as an over-hyped movie which didn't deserve recognition. For a movie holding
the number one spot as most profitable movie ever, I can only assume the masses were brainwashed and subjected to
subliminal messages during the trailers. Fox is truly an evil company, at least in the eyes of many of Hollywood's elite,
and one particular President. Should it have received more recognition? If the opinions of the common person were taken
into consideration, yes, but some things never change. Many great actors, actresses, and directors have been shunned all
through their careers, not because of their performance, but rather their political views and the company they keep.


Anyway.....I rarely watch movies anymore, so who am I to complain.

by felipe-11 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:25 am

Haha definitely interesting seeing how much your opinion on the film changed!

Unfortunately I can't say the same for myself, I was pretty disappointed with the wins last night, but then again, I have been for a couple of years now :(

by bpmford » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:52 pm

Well finally saw the last movie, and did so before watching the oscars, but even thought it is over, I still updated my official list one last time.

As for my reaction to the results, I find myself contradicting my official thread more and more, and was seemingly rooting for The Artist by the end of the night.

When I watched it with Best Picture, and they invited the cast onto the stage (including the dog)... Plus the really nice acceptance speeches from Jean and Michael... I got reminded of Slumdog Millionaire; a movie that gained momentum as the awards got closer, and ended up being a heartwarming story by the time it won.

This is The Artist, and I am happy for it's win.

Guess I have proven to myself that I should give everything a chance before I judge it!

Except Twilight!!! ;)

by Nightrider » Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:30 am

I haven't seen any of them, but I have just seen Killer Elite, and that's a damn good movie! It's better than some that have won best pic over the years.

by bpmford » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:15 pm

Thanks for your list felipe! Interesting to see the perspective of someone else who has seen almost all of them.

I just saw two more yesterday, so here is my updated and expanded list with only Moneyball left to see:


1. Hugo: A brilliant movie that tells a warm story about the history of cinema! Not only did Hugo embrace that vintage cinema feel, but it combined it with modern technologies and stunning visuals; producing a beautiful piece of art. I am quite surprised there were no acting noms given to this one, especially for sir Ben Kingsley, who was brilliant! Another wonderful performance was that of Chloë Grace Moretz, whom I really liked in Kick-a$$, but definitely blossomed here, giving a performance that would rival most adults!

3. The Descendants: If it were just a drama about a family coping with a dying mother, then it wouldn't really get much notice here. However, it was far from that. I found Descendants to be a mix between Little Miss Sunshine, American Beauty and Juno. It is a movie about a entirely messed up family that has more problems than anyone really knows. But the way in witch this family copes with the situation, is entirely addicting to watch. It is one of those movies that, like the other three mentioned before, I could watch over and over, and still enjoy. And don't get me started on the acting! WOW!

3. The Help: Amazingly acted, beautifully written, and a great choice for the award. This movie is an adaptation of a novel, so my main props go to the talented crop of actresses in this one. I was especially impresses with Emma Stone who is still relatively new to the scene! I also found the story to be quite compelling, but unfortunately that praise doesn't go to the movie at all!

4. The Artist: Although I found the movie a little hard to keep up with (dialogue wise) at times (just the fault of not being very seasoned with silent movies), It did a great job at telling a story that was both interesting, and fitting to the movie itself place in modern film. My very reason for cutting it down before is reflected in the movie, and for that I really appreciated it. The movie also had an amazing acting crop, and some surprising and refreshing moments that made me smile! If it does win, I will understand why... But it still isn't my favourite!

5. Moneyball: A movie about Baseball that did an awesome job at not feeling like a movie about Baseball. Everyone loves the underdog story in movies, and this version was especially pleasant to watch. Brad Pitt did an awesome job, and the official breakout of Jonah Hill was a great one. I hope Jonah takes this as his opportunity to get away from laughable goofball roles and really makes himself a grade A actor. Great movie, great cast!

6. Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close: Although I can understand how this movie might be incredibly hard to watch for those who were directly affected by 9/11, I am not sure why it has gotten the negative reviews it has. First of all, I was quite blown away by the performance of Thomas Horn, a young actor with a real gift! The whole movie, although quite sad, was really well done, and intensely real! Although the story was not a real one, you could just feel the pain that everyone who was affected by the attacks had to go through. And Max von Sydow, so deserving of the supporting actor nomination!

7. War Horse: A beautiful and inspiring movie that does a great job at showing genuine emotion. I notice the critics called this movie overly sappy, but I'm not quite sure how it can be less sappy. The whole premise of the story is an emotional story about a boy and his horse. However, as I watch more nominees, I find myself pushing this one down further. I think the five above it are far better movies simply for the reason that their stories are more compelling. But, I don't know if thats the fault of those that made War Horse, or just that its story is what it is, so the movie followed corse.

8. Midnight in Paris: Way better than I was anticipating, and a wonderful story, but still finds itself down low= on my list, because I think it will be one of those that many forget about or don't even bother to see. The movie was really good, but there were lots of really good movies this year that didn't make the list that I would have put on instead of this one. It was good, but not amazing!

9. Tree of Life: A very weird movie, and I don't know if weird belongs in dramas, but it was ok. I thought the performances of Pitt and Penn were quite good, but the movie did a terrible job at making the cast unimportant compared to the movie production. I think if it told a more down to earth story about this family and its struggles, then it would be better. However, it tried to turn the whole thing into a fantasy. I felt like I would enjoy the movie more if I had eaten some magical brownies first. I also found myself, and the others around me while watching, having to guess at what was going on. We were debating on what timeline the movie was on at any given point, and entirely confused most of the time. If the film had just focused on delivering the story, and less on delivering endless odd visuals about the creation of life, then maybe it would make more sense.

by felipe-11 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:32 am

Hey Ford, yeah, I ended up seeing The Artist too. I didn't hate it or anything but I just thought it was an OK movie. I wouldn't watch it again and I though the only nomination that was really in place was for Jean Dujardin as Best Actor (although I don't think he deserves the win). I don't even think Bernice Bejo was that great in it either, so her nomination was a little too much IMO. Even the Best Cinematography nomination seems out of place to me (I mean, there is a reason why movies aren't shot like this anymore). The only truly enjoyable thing in that film to me was the dog, NOW THAT'S TALENT!

Anyway, I've seen all the nominated pictures except Midnight in Paris (I'll try to catch it this week) and these are my pics in preferred order:

1) The Tree of Life (like you said, very weird movie but I absolutely loved it)
2) Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close (completely unconceivable that a child would ever behave like that in real life, but never the less an amazing film packed with great performances)
3) War Horse
4) Hugo
5) The Help

(Here's where I lose interest in my list and I really fail to see how theses movies are in the "Top 9 best films" of 2011)

6) The Descendants (it was a solid movie, just beyond overrated)
7) Moneyball (again, a nice movie with some good performances but just can't get what all the fuss is about. Maybe it's just cos I'm not a baseball fan?)
8) The Artist

And still to see is Midnight in Paris... and for some incredibly bizarre reason The Almighty Academy didn't think there was a 10th film worthy of being in their sacred list. Really, why would they chose only 9 pics instead of 10?

Here's a few films that could have perfectly taken that 10th spot (heck, even replaced 6-8 for me...)

-The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo (seriously, how was this not nominated?)
-Drive
-My Week With Marilyn
-50/50
-The Adventures of Tintin
(really, I thought this was one of Spielberg's best films in YEARS. Almost puts the entire Indy saga to shame. And I guess they didn't nominate it for Best Animated film since it wasn't technically animated, just 100% motion capture.)


Also my pics for Best Actor/Actress:

Lead Actor: Brad Pitt (like I said he was good in Moneyball but honestly he deserves it for Tree of Life and every other amazing performance he's given through the years)
Supporting: Nick Nolte

Lead Actress: Michelle Williams
Supporting: Jessica Chastain (although I haven't seen one of the nominees)

by Nightrider » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:15 pm

WHAT THE....?? The Muppets aren't nominated???....

by chefjoe » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:49 am

Glad to see you saw the movie, i myself don't bother with Academy Awards anymore, as with any powerful "Award" they've all become far to political for my tastes, I will say this, though I did agree with the Hurt locker, simply for the political reasons, having been in a war, the attempt to honor some very brave and little know Soldier assets was monumental to me, so again I approved because of politics which to say is extremely rare for me. So... where exactly is thus going??? Who knows just a post for the sake of joining in, hehe

BTW
I'd vote for The Walking Dead if I could, hehe

by bpmford » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:31 am

TOPIC UPDATED!

Ok, I thought I should come back into this thread now that I have watched the Artist, and give my thoughts.

I have relatively the same opinion I did before, but not as agressivly. I did like the movie, but I know that wasn't my argument.

It had a lot of great qualities, and indeed earned it's nomination. For a 2011 film, it could have easily beed pulled right off the shelf with other 1927 films; so, for that I give big props to production!

However, I still don't think it is the best movie out of the Ten, nor is it in the top 3 from the 6 I've seen.

I want to show my list of my favoirtes from highest to lowest, and I plan to updaye it when I have seen the final three.

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1. Hugo (A brilliant movie that tells a warm story about the history of cinema!)

2. The Help (Amazingly acted, and beautifully written, a great choice for the award)

3. War Horse (A beautiful and inspiring movie that does a great job at showing genuine emotion)

4. The Artist (Much better than anticipated, kept me wanting to see more, and fully entertained)

5. Midnight in Paris (way better than I was anticipating, and a wonderful story)

6. Tree of Life (A very weird movie, and I don't know if weird belongs in dramas, but it was ok)


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I still think the Academy would be smarter to pick something like Hugo or The Help, but I no longer will be ashamed to have this on my shelf if it wins.

Has anyone else seen a few of the nominees and has their own list?

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