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post May 6 2024, 04:34 AM
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Since littlewazz asked I will toss out my 2 cents on the EFX failure. First I can't prove this but I'm not one who accepts unexplainable things as acceptable.

I think the host killed the server, it did die, they have refused to help us even though problems have been cropping up for a year at least behind the scenes.

This would not be the first time a cover site has been axed by a host I know of several and EFX was blown up by another host in 2013 some of you may recall that dark time.

What happens is cover sites take up a lot of space and eat up tons of bandwidth with all the big files going up and down daily, this makes them cost the host more than they can make off you and eventually if they are greedy some brain will figure out they can take the space you are using and split it into 10 smaller sites and make 10 times the money with less resources used.

Our original host sold out a year ago about the time problems began to crop up, I think it was the new owner drawing battle lines hoping we would move but that is not a simple thing and they know it too, they quoted us thousands of dollars per month to fix what I think they created in an attempt to extort more money from us and when we declined they killed it.

Nothing else makes sense, for years we never had a issue they could not resolve in less than 24 hours, then new owners take over and they can't even speculate on the cause unless they are better than well paid... I think not.

So there you have it all that is known and my best guess as to why.


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is this the same thing that happened to CC Covers, freecovers, R1DB, and DVD Coverfusion?
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I can only speak to two of those directly with first hand knowledge.

R1DB had a physical server failure after years the hardware actually laid down and Jayhawk did not want to invest in a new one.

DVD Coverfusion was threatened with a lawsuit and the owner decided it was time to bail.

From what I recall freecovers owner just abandoned it, no site can survive without active Admin.

CC I don't know about.

Covernet was killed by it's host for taking up too much space I saw the email the owner got from them on it.

Uncovered would have been killed too by same host that cut the legs off EFX in 2013 but they found a host willing to move them over for free as they are not that big and so they let them do it, else they would be gone.

In 2013 the host kicked EFX out cited us being too big as the reason... then gave us a week to relocate.... no where near enough time to move a site that big, we did move and saved half the gallery but they deleted all the resources, was a dark time.


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Thanks for writing this message for us Curt, very well explained as you normally do. I always liked this about you. It's sad and pathetic that they would do that, especially with all the time you and Lee spent trying to fix things and hopelessly thinking the host would help. And there's also the fact that some subscribers who had recently paid lost money because of their greed.
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wow, that's horrible blink.gif
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QUOTE (Wrench @ May 1 2024, 05:57 PM) *
Very sad that EFX died. When I get all my covers gathered together I will start posting here. This is my new home. icon_biggrin.gif

Happy to see you here buddy.
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very sad to see EFX shut down such excellent work and time thrown away icon_cry.gif its not just a website but a community, a database with a wealth of knowledge.
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QUOTE (littlewazz @ May 6 2024, 04:56 PM) *
very sad to see EFX shut down such excellent work and time thrown away icon_cry.gif its not just a website but a community, a database with a wealth of knowledge.


Yes, me and Lucan poured years into it but what can you do, some battles you just can't win.


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That's so bad that the host wouldn't even allow you to time to find another host and move the data across. I understand it must have been costing them more than what they were making but it's not a good look when they just terminate the hosting without giving you guys the chance to move.
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QUOTE (sauron @ May 7 2024, 06:46 AM) *
That's so bad that the host wouldn't even allow you to time to find another host and move the data across. I understand it must have been costing them more than what they were making but it's not a good look when they just terminate the hosting without giving you guys the chance to move.


And when they terminate they use the DELETE button it's like you were never there.


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QUOTE (ctaulbee @ May 7 2024, 11:16 PM) *
And when they terminate they use the DELETE button it's like you were never there.


That's terrible! Surely they could get in trouble for that?
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QUOTE (sauron @ May 8 2024, 06:13 AM) *
That's terrible! Surely they could get in trouble for that?


There really is no internet police.

Places put all kinds of outs in their terms of service agreement you have to say yes to when you open and account then they have you.

For example if I add a line here at HC that says "I understand this account can be terminated at any time for any reason or no reason" then you join you agree to that by joining and nothing you can do if I kick you even if you paid money won't matter...

That is the new digital world we live in.


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QUOTE (ctaulbee @ May 8 2024, 09:40 AM) *
There really is no internet police.

Places put all kinds of outs in their terms of service agreement you have to say yes to when you open and account then they have you.

For example if I add a line here at HC that says "I understand this account can be terminated at any time for any reason or no reason" then you join you agree to that by joining and nothing you can do if I kick you even if you paid money won't matter...

That is the new digital world we live in.



Hi Curt. Thanks for the detailed explanation on the loss of the EFX site. Glad most if not all former members from EFX are now here to continue the good work. Knowing myself from prior experiences, how hosts work, it is no surprise in how vulnerable a site can find themselves when the tables begins to turn against the host's bottom line. I guess we can be thankful for the years we had with EFX but I'm sure especially those in charge, the hurt will linger for a long spell. Lets just hope this site along with other good sites along the same lines does not meet the same faith.
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