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Fubster
post Jun 21 2010, 02:54 PM
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About an hour after I posted today's HLC competition, I checked the progress...then clicked on the thumbnail for the leader, and it had 0 Previews! Second place...0 Previews! And on it went. 7 people had voted - AND locked down their votes, and none had even looked at the preview image, everyone had voted based upon a thumbnail that is only 120x120.

I was reminded of this post by dreg14...
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...The sad part is that 60% of the people are voting on the thumbnails, 30% on the preview and only 10% on the full resolution...

At this point I realized that I had the gallery items in a private album and no one COULD see the previews. That has now been rectified. But...why didn't someone speak up?

So, it got me to thinking, I remembered dreg14's comment, and I'm trying to figure out if something needs to be done. Because, I can do something.

For instance - I can make it so that you must preview all the items before voting. Or even view the fullsize image (of course that means regular members would never be allowed to vote). I could make the requirement 1/2 of the items. I could make the requirement check before lockdown instead of just voting, and have non-lockdown votes carry less weight.

Bottom line, I have a LOT of flexibility, and I would like to hear your opinion, please.


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post Jun 21 2010, 03:04 PM
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is actually sad!!!

i would go for the first option.
force people to preview the work!!

A cover shouldn't be vote cos ONLY how cool does look, but more on quality on the work, creativity, mistakes, (which unfortunately are many sad.gif ), etc....

of course that just my 2 cents :O...
personally i love small details, and really keen on that!!..

cheers.
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post Jun 21 2010, 03:13 PM
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I think that the minimum requirement is that they have viewed the full sized image. I realise that means standard members cannot vote then, but most of the voting is done by advanced members anyway. My reasons for suggesting members view full sized images, is because you can not judge all elements on a cover or label from a thumbnail. While you may be able to judge overall design, colour usage etc, you are unable to determine the quality of masking, etc etc from a thumbnail. Also, it is a perk of being an advanced member 8834.gif And for the record, I had seen the full sized images before voting, as they were emailed to me winking.gif



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post Jun 21 2010, 03:32 PM
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You might use text and link to the full-resolution cover. Or just a small image and link to full resolution!
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post Jun 21 2010, 04:00 PM
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I download all entered covers most times, but I thinks forcing everyone to download all covers full size individually will decrease the numbers of voters a lot. Maybe using previews (preview action) instead of the thumbnails, like the old survey is a compromise worth considering, maybe even enlarge the previews a bit.
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post Jun 21 2010, 04:20 PM
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yes yes and yes, full previews please. the hrc requires comments, which is silly when u r viewing for competitions, and no previews didn't work for the labels and I as well as others got lazy, sorry. Beat me with a noodle please.............please, hehe
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post Jun 21 2010, 06:45 PM
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Don't know about full-res, but they sure should at least preview it in the gallery, the thumbnails are way too small for a "proper" vote.


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post Jun 21 2010, 09:04 PM
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Thanks for listening Fubster banana.gif I agree with Bazzah .... full image. The other 2 will never show all the detail that went into the cover or label.
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post Jun 21 2010, 10:50 PM
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I think at the very least a preview "page" as opposed to the gallery, maybe with the covers shown like they are in the Showcase area with Baz's photoshop action..Then that way most members would still be able to vote. Granted you still couldn't see fine detail like full size but it would be a big improvement over the gallery sized ones.


Maybe set it up so that if they clicked on a thumb on the hi res comp page it would bring them to a locked preview page on the forum.


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post Jun 22 2010, 12:18 AM
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I agree that voters should at least take the time to view the entries properly as i do my best to with my restrictions however full size viewing would include members such as myself being unable to vote! That's unfair as i love viewing and voting and even entering where possible which i'm sure will be more often from now on but still. I'm sorry to say but i am not sure i have the time to abide by the terms an conditions of proving myself so to speak and terefore being a member wth tha access but that doesnt mean i can't contribute so why should i lose my vote?
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post Jun 22 2010, 06:36 AM
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sadly you have always had this issue with all the comps, most voting is based on the preview. I can think of a couple of covers from past compitions that I think wouldn't have got a vote if the member had bothered to view it full size, so I would like you to do that for all voting Fubs.


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post Jun 22 2010, 06:57 AM
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Yeash some kind of preview page where maybe not full res but at least half could work, I admit I don't always download them to vote, but I click on them to get the larger preview when it seems a tough choice, cause a lot of times I see my top 3 pics straight away and vote.


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post Jun 22 2010, 01:16 PM
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A combination of suggestions may work.

Entries go into a special directory where they cannot be downloaded, the "right click" of the mouse is disabled, and the full size is bigger than the window (no cutting tool). This helps keep leechers and thieves away

Then before the vote can be cast, the voter must view the "full" size image.

As you said Fubster:

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Bottom line, I have a LOT of flexibility


So you may be able to do something like this.


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post Jun 22 2010, 09:38 PM
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You can't force people to look at things, best you can do is suggest, if you add a restriction like any of the above then members will simply click the DL link or whatever other thing they "are forced to do" in order to remove the restriction and then they "will not look at them" and vote how they choose.

Bottom line, if you want entries dissected thoroughly, you'll have to appoint a panel of judges each month.. Otherwise I say live with what you got cause it ain't a disaster as is. 8834.gif
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post Jun 22 2010, 09:59 PM
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I remember Bunny had a java system implemented on his site that previewed the cover with a decent size and perhaps you can try to implement it here.
Maybe he can explain you better.


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post Jun 22 2010, 10:06 PM
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I don't mind the vote as is. I can glean a lot about the design with the small preview and after I've made my initial selection then I blow them up larger to review them further.

But for labels I'd like to see them presented using the label preview action so they look like discs. I watermark all of my labels and having it available without the watermark bothers me to a certain extent. If it was presented as a disc that bother would be gone.
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post Jun 23 2010, 01:07 AM
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I think you can judge pretty well based on the small previews (and can always look closer, if concerned). Nobody's perfect, I know I spot things months or years after the fact on my own covers, and it rarely affects my enthusiasm for the design itself.

It's all in good fun, and no matter what you end up doing people are going to complain. 8824.gif The benefit of the current method is it allows the largest number of people to enjoy voting. Any of the other options is cool with me, of course, and each has its own positives.

QUOTE (Arkflip @ Jun 22 2010, 05:59 PM) *
I remember Bunny had a java system implemented on his site that previewed the cover with a decent size and perhaps you can try to implement it here.
Maybe he can explain you better.
It's kind of just a glorified mid-size preview -- http://www.bunnydojo.com/Practice/DVDCovers.php

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post Jun 23 2010, 03:11 PM
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The best way for me to judge the covers are the preview first, and then most of the time, i go to the bigger view for better judging and in the last place i go to the full-res image if the judging is real close, but i never download all hires images sad.gif

But maybe the best way to go, is bigger images in the comp topic or the preview like bunny has on his site.

If we decide to go with the full-res option, i think that the full-res version should be available to all members that vote, as long as the comp runs 8824.gif
Although i'm not sure if that's possible to program ?
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